Join John Malanca as he interviews sleep specialist Mollie McGlocklin as they discuss one of the many benefits the CBD has to offer…Sleep being one of them!
Mollie McGlocklin is the creator of Sleep Is A Skill and the host of The Sleep Is A Skill Podcast. Sleep Is A Skill is a company that optimizes people’s sleep through a unique blend of technology, accountability, and behavioral change. After navigating insomnia while traveling internationally, she created what she couldn’t find – a place to go to learn the skill set of sleep. With a background in psychology and behavioral change from The Nonverbal Group, she became fascinated with chronobiology and its practical application to sleep and our overall experience of life. Knowing the difference between a life with sleep and without, she’s now dedicated her life to sharing the forgotten skill set of sleep.
How Can CBD Help You Sleep Better Through the Night with Sleep Expert Mollie McGlocklin
John Malanca 0:00
Welcome back to the event, everyone. I’m your host, John Malanca. And this next topic is something that we all need,it’s a good night’s sleep. CBD has been known to help deepen, sleep and even bring on vivid dreams. Discover how insomniacs and even high performance athletes are using CBD to increase the quality of their sleep. And how CBD can help you sleep better through the night? And I’d like like to introduce you to our next presenter. It’s Mollie McLaughlin. Hi, Mollie.
Mollie McGlocklin 0:30
Hi. Great to be here. Thank you so much for having me.
John Malanca 0:32
Thank you. Thank you. I’m excited about this. This is a this is a big topic for me. I mean, sleep is so important. And I want to get into how many hours of sleep is best for all of us because you’re a sleep expert. So you hear a lot of so we’ll get into it. Let me let me read your your impressive. Your bio here. So Molly is the creator of his sleep is a skill, a company that optimizes people’s sleep through a unique blend of technology accountability and behavioral change. The company was born from scratching her own itch after a lifetime of poor sleep habits culminated into mega challenging bout of insomnia, which is the worst for months without and with a background in psychology and human behavior. She went down the rabbit hole to solve her sleep disturbances without sleeping aids. She became fascinated with chronic chronobiology, and by extension, its practical applications to restore state of homeostasis, not only to her sleep, but also to her life as a whole. Knowing the difference between life with sleep as well as without, she’s now dedicated her life to sharing the Forgotten skill. Set of sleep. So, boy, boy, I think you cut a lot of people’s ears here, because sleeps tough when you don’t when you it’s a domino effect when you miss that first night. And it’s just tricky to do it. We’ve talked about this in the show. We’ve talked about this on my podcast. So welcome. And so it sounds like you’ve you’ve experienced that crazy. Night after night of being an insomniac. And I mean, I’ve done everything at one point. And so sounds like you haven’t you made a career out of it. So
Mollie McGlocklin 2:10
please share. Yes, absolutely. I have done it all. Actually, on my website, I have this whole rundown almost comical of the number of things that I threw against the wall to try to see what would fit or you know, hit or stick all those things, you know, in order to make a difference with my sleep. And it was just one after another after another. And what’s so valuable I think about kind of coming from the context that sleep really is a skill in the 21st century is that we many of us are so off of these sort of ancient cycles and a lot of ways so understanding these circadian rhythms and certainly we’ll get into how that works with the endocannabinoid system. But these rhythms are really powerful for aligning our days and our nights. And when we get thrown off like for me, my story is that I was really a night owl for just so so many years of my life and thought that was how it was that a lot of labels. So I’m this night owl, I’m a short sleeper. I’m an insomniac, I’m all these things that I put on to myself to justify or rationalize that behavior. But really, when it hits that Insomniac period when I just could not sleep, that’s what actually was kind of the blessing to take the actions to restore that. workability and I think that that’s kind of one of the exciting things about things like CBD is it’s part and parcel to what’s happening when using those.
John Malanca 3:35
Yeah, and I love the natural part because I remember years ago, I was I could not sleep and it went day one, day two, day three, and I’m losing my mind and I’m highly allergic to whatever’s in cold medicine. So knock on wood I’m sure I don’t get I don’t want to jinx it but yeah, knock on wood. I don’t get I haven’t been sick. I just said a long, long, long years. And there’s something in NyQuil and DayQuil and Tylenol. That is something that I needed sleep and I kid you not Molly, I drank nitro this giant I had to sleep. I didn’t sleep. And I remember I showed up to work and I remember we had a good guest in the office it came in from another office. And they just looked at me like is this gonna work and he was like, He’s all I mean, I was just loopy. So I know how important sleep is and then years later which is the present year you know, I’ve been in the cannabis industry since 2010 11. It seemed as natural can ammonoid which I use every night CBD and so can you talk about cuz this questions have comes up all the time because work for this will help me with this. And so this one will CBD help me sleep better or sleep through the night because sleeping through the night it’s important some people will false, you know different forms of cannabis, say ingesting via smoking. Only last 234 hours for some of them and they’re wide awake and so but CBD I have found has Kept me a nicely throughout the night? And are you seeing that with you in your practice?
Mollie McGlocklin 5:05
Yes, so I’m standing in the, in our approach with sleep as a skill, it’s a lot about understanding the behavioral components for sleep, and things that we can do to improve our sleep through optimizing a lot of our behaviors literally starting from when you immediately wake up during the day, right? But so if we get into this process of CBD, and how can it help us sleep through the night? One, we want to just get a sense of where you’re at, and really be able to experiment and have a baseline so that we can, you know, really get in deep to understand is this CBD type, and dosage and ratio, and all of these things are these going to help to make a difference with my sleep. But by and large, one of the things that I find so valuable about CBD in particular, is that it can be a great place to start with, you know, our, we’re not seeing particular crazy side effects that are coming out of CBD, this kind of natural anti inflammatory. So when we’re standing in that, what we want to be able to do is then help people to make a difference with their sleep. Through using that and understanding, are you someone that is coming into the game, or having taken sleep aids over the years, so I’ve had a ton of clients that have a lot of success with actually weaning off, of course, you always want to do that with the direction of your doctor and be mindful about that. But when you’re able to use something like CBD to help wean off from that, it just can be life changing for so many people. But even if you’re not in that category, you know, just maybe experiencing kind of what’s very common is one or two nights throughout the week, I don’t sleep well. So for those people, this can be a really also great place to start. That has kind of minimal scare factor of are you going to experience kind of mind altering experience. So what I’m finding is that really across the board, it’s been a really beneficial place to begin and then goes deeper on all the different ways that you can use it throughout the day and night.
John Malanca 7:10
You know, you brought up quite a few points that I want to touch up on. It’s not a one size fits all. So when my doses of CBD helped me sleep may keep keep you up. You know, you talk about you know, you I know you’re another sleep page, here’s one of your questions. But what about? Are you drinking a cup of coffee before you go to bed? Or you drink coffee all day? Long? Are you working out? I mean, are these all things that go in part of that as well?
Mollie McGlocklin 7:37
Yes, great question. Because, first of all, I think no matter what if, say you’re you’re at the summit, and you’re like yes, CBD is for me, let me learn more about it. I think one of the things that’s going to get you the best results is if you pair CBD, along with so many amazing behavioral changes that you can make, that actually certainly I wasn’t aware of when I was dealing with a lot of my difficulties with my sleep, I wasn’t conscious of how much you know, my light, dark cycles, when I’m eating my certain types of food and sugar and glucose and all these different things will impact the quality of my sleep. You know, there’s so much strategy that can actually go into this. And that’s why I think it’s important to educate ourselves from those behavioral changes we can make because it’s astounding some of the differences that you’ll find just from some of these basic principles. So when you pair those together, because it’s really part and parcel to the endocannabinoid system is it’s about these rhythms, mood, appetite, sleep, circadian rhythm. And so if we pair that behavioral side of it, along with a supplemental side, you can really have some pretty impressive results.
John Malanca 8:44
I’m chuckling because you said strategy when you don’t sleep, it is a strategy. Don’t touch anything, turn the lights off, you know, and so I I’m laughing because I’ve been there I’ve experienced
Mollie McGlocklin 8:56
oh my god, I literally had to read books called letting go to undertake a strategy around how do I learn how to let go? How do I calm them? Yeah, and you’re right. 100% but it is there, there are things that you can really do, particularly during the daytime. And that applies to CBD to help improve our nights
John Malanca 9:14
strategy strategies, you know, planning for the night so so how does CBD work? You know, because this question comes up, you know, how does it work for sleep? Does it shut off the receptors or make you groggy because lower doses of CBD and I’ve done my trial there so I know it works works with me and so but for our listeners, low doses keeps me awake. You know, we’re high doses will put me out and not when I say it’s not putting out like knockout. It is slowly and I fall asleep and I wake up and so can you talk about how to CBD work, worked for sleep? Is it what you’re doing to the brain?
Mollie McGlocklin 9:51
Sure. Yeah. So a couple things that we’re finding for CBD and sleep. One the important caveat with all these with this conversation Is that unfortunately we don’t have as many studies as we’d like to have on CBD and all the different components CBG CBN, and all these different elements that how specifically they are impacting sleep. So still a lot of this is not say anecdotal, but certainly smaller groups than you want to have. So we do hope to be able to grow the size of our sample, you know, case, to be able to understand more about the specifics of, because, for instance, if we’re talking about the endocannabinoid system and how CBD is interacting with receptors within the Android cannabinoid system, as we touched on, it’s kind of about those regulations of mood appetite, sleep, circadian rhythm, it appears that CBD is impacting two of those primary receptors, CB one and CB two, a little bit differently than THC. So and there’s still a lot of kind of question marks on are they actually interacting with receptors that we’re not even fully aware of, because there are so it’s this kind of new world that we’re navigating. So from that place, one of the because CBD is not innately a sedative of a molecule, it’s really more something that impacts in three kind of seemingly positive ways. So we have the ability to improve on stress and anxiety. We have the ability to improve on any inflammatory acting as an anti inflammatory, which is, as you spoke about some of those over the counter sleep aids part of what we’ll be putting into that is anti inflammatory along with any histamines and all these other items, but innately that when we are inflamed, often we can have difficulty falling asleep. And then thirdly, we’re seeing that it can help make a difference with our pain management, and helping when we kind of triggering on that pain, because I have a ton of clients will come in and that’s pain might be part of the reason that’s keeping them awake at different points throughout throughout the night. So if we trigger or if we’re aware of the three things that CBD can often make a difference with, then you can hone in on what your particular issue is there. And then that might make a difference on say, the ratios that you come up with on this on your own personal kind of prescription for your sleep. You know, if you’re dealing with a lot of that pain element, then you might be bringing in a little bit more the THC might, you know, kind of discuss some of those elements. But there’s a lot of strategy that you’ll want to almost embark on this from a perspective of, you know, an explorer scientist where you’re actually logging your experience and how that is working for you and your sleep.
John Malanca 12:41
I’m glad you brought up pain because I’ve worked with a lot of doctors and we’ve spoken about pain. And when you have that lack of sleep as we were talking about the domino effect, it can intensify some fibromyalgia patients testify other other patients that are going through sleep on a regular basis or having having issues sleep issues on a regular basis. This one comes up to it’s it’s we I’m glad you mentioned about the drug to drug interaction, as you know, for our listeners is not replace a one on one with your medical professional practitioners for informational and educational purposes only. And so if you need to titrate off a sleep aid, please do it with with a medical professional involved, but back to the Groggy lot of people. For example, I use my mom when my father passed away, you know, we were just deer in the headlights didn’t know what was happening. And I remember we couldn’t sleep. And her doctor prescribed us I could say, Ambien, which I had never taken before. So I was taking a half lap. And you know, the morning I was cottonmouth I was groggy, and I remember my mom. I chuckled because if my dad probably married my mom, she would have been a nun. Oh, but she she said so cannabis was was it was a her lifestyle is what I’m getting at as well. Yes. Um, but I remember she said to me after me being in this industry for quite some time and teaching her and seeing what you know, seeing these shows that we’re doing. She says, I think I would have tried cannabis for sleep. If I did not if I would have known it back then after dad passed. And I have a lot of families a lot of spouses go through this a lot of children growth is when that when someone passes they said I can’t be groggy the next morning. I have to be a mom, I have to be a dad I have to go to work I have to do machinery. And so will CBD. Make someone groggy safe, which is just plain only using that not not not any other sleep aids.
Mollie McGlocklin 14:46
Yeah, great question. So CBD alone really should not have a groggy effect. There might be times so there’s so little understood I think in the masses around CBD and all these different sleep I’m specific kind of concoctions and sometimes people say, Oh, it makes me feel hungover in the morning or what have you. And often we can, you know, go further. And we often find that there’s other remedies or herbal remedies or a bunch of different remedies that might be in a lot of their sleep, kind of, you know, aid so that those might be some of the things to look at around if there is that grogginess effect. Another thing can sometimes be if there’s a difference in a ratio, and then we have a blend of different things, then that could potentially be something to be aware of. But if we’re talking just plain CBD, because it does not have that sort of sedative quality to it, so it’s really not what we’re addressing with CBD, then, and there’s no kind of mind altering effects that happen with that, then that’s often something that you don’t really need to be concerned with.
John Malanca 15:51
Yeah. And well said set it up. I mean, that’s perfect description, perfect description. And that topic comes up to is, you know, when should I take it? You know, I take. So we the reason I say it, because a lot of people will always ask, what does it work for this, and I’ve talked about this on the show, when I present, I’ll have a big roll of duct tape on one of my slides, and they look at me, and they look at this slide thinking, Hey, John, you have the wrong slide up there. And I said, Actually, people always ask me the word. Does it help with this? Does it help with that? And I said, I don’t want to say it’s like 1,000,001 uses of like duct tape. But when you really get down to it, you know, this planet has has a lot of properties. And I know you mentioned about but the other cannabinoids, there’s about 100, I say there’s about 140. Some people say 100 260. And each of these cannabinoids plays a role in what Molly was sharing earlier with CBN. It’s another cannabinoid helps to sleep. CBD helps asleep THC helps to sleep. And so back to the thing, the question about when should I take it? What would you recommend because it affects us differently and you go out have a have a big meal before bed, and you take some CV, it might not react as quickly as if you were going to bed on an empty stomach. That as
Mollie McGlocklin 17:10
well. Absolutely. So what I actually have people do is I tend to have people start with CBD, interestingly, during the day, and the reason I do that is that many of personally of the clients that are coming through suit as a skill are dealing with some sort of anxiety. And often however, that might get manifested, you know, that’s showing up as something that we’re looking to make a difference with and have some kind of insight onto how to or tools to approach that. So beginning during the day, and we have to do kind of a low and slow buildup, right of that dosage approach. But so we begin there so that because the other thing I have seen is for some, you know, I’ll work with little ladies. And then if they don’t know what they’re taking, and there can be confusion, and then that kind of hyper aroused brain state at night can, you know, maybe make them more awake than normal. So if we start and normalize the usage of CBD during the day, deal with some of that daytime anxiety, because often that’s what I’m seeing, too, is that so many people are dealing with that heightened cortisol state all throughout the day. And then of course, when you’re getting into bed, and then expecting that you’re taking something that is not meant to function like a Xanax or an Ambien or to be so fast acting, then it can be a whole different approach. And that’s one of the amazing approaches or elements of something like CBD is that there’s a broader spectrum, for it’s kind of approach versus that thin line that is skated with benzodiazepines or hypnotics. So instead, we want to do really having that around one to two hours before bedtime, once you graduate into taking it during, during the bedtime. And from that place. You know, once you’ve gotten over the mystique of is this gonna make me Hi. And even though we say it a million times, you know, still people question that. So once we kind of normalized it and the usage of it, then we’re bringing it into the bedtime. And that can be really, really helpful for a lot of people, especially approaching those three things that we discussed around stress and anxiety, anti inflammatory elements, and then that pain that often seems to flare up for people in the evenings. And the other thing I would mention too, is for the when should I take it element of CBD or the question of that. Another thing for women that I find is interesting is that some of the, the dosage of this actually changes during different parts of your cycle if you’re menstruating age, so you it’s something that you kind of want to be aware of and test with. Because you might have actually a different dosage during different parts of your cycle, which is really interesting and has us get even more connected to our bodies and being aware of the you know what’s going to give us the best results.
John Malanca 19:59
Yes Great, and as a male, I probably wouldn’t think of that. Right? Sure. I should also the older older woman in the retirement community, so please know for our listeners, you know, this this plants a great plant, and but it’s not all created the same. So where you purchase I mean, I know we did a segment on where to purchase this. And so I’ll just reiterate and I’m certain Molly would agree, you know I make sure it’s tested mixture it’s, it’s comes from a reputable source, not at a gas station. And so what works for your friend may not work for you and vice versa and so really do some research on that and we have gotten deeper into this and other so you don’t have to touch up on that Molly melatonin, l tryptophan some natural over the counter supplements that help with sleep. I have friends that stay so far away from melatonin because they say brings on nightmares. Why is that first off and then I want to talk about about CBD and nightmares and or vivid dreams? What what is melatonin? Bring on nightmares where l tryptophan doesn’t?
Mollie McGlocklin 21:13
Yeah, great question. So melatonin and I do preface that you’re right, there are a couple camps for people where some people will be more hesitant to just take a lot of melatonin whether for adverse effects, or for concerns that they might almost build a kind of immunity. Because we do have to remember that first the difference one of the difference between melatonin and say, You know l tryptophan or what have you is going to be that melatonin is really a hormone and I think many of us forget that it is and since we have seen it that it’s so available all of our pharmacies now kids, it’s in a lot of you know, kids supply, as in like nighttime sleep aids and what have you, versus are other countries that you have to get a prescription just to have melatonin period versus some of the other supplements that we might be pointing to. So one just getting grounded in that it is something that you want to be really conscious of how much you’re taking, if you’re beginning to get a little loosey goosey on that. But for the other element of that melatonin it we want to be promoting dreams to a certain degree throughout throughout the night. But it’s when we get into the realm of nightmares or night terrors. And it’s waking us up in high heart rate and all that sort of stuff. So that can be sort of the problematic thing for people. But so what we instead want to do is all this needs to get normalized in some way, coming back to that sleep as a skill perspective of the framework is that we want to start if we’re seeing some of those symptoms, and then we’re trying to throw you know, high doses of melatonin or what have you added, then often the result can be more of the heightened dream state, especially if you are dealing with more anxiety, and you’re dealing with higher heart rate throughout the course of your night, then often we can find ourselves hovering more in that REM state, which is often where our bodies warmer during that period, that’s the second half of the night. And that’s when we’re experiencing more of those dreams. So that can be part of the problem that we want to be connected to with melatonin. But with CBD. What we’re often finding is that there’s not a particular release again still and often stories are certain small group studies that not finding is much in the vivid dreams and particularly if you’re dealing if you have THC, many people will give that for specifically to help with nightmares and to help with PTSD and veterans are kind of a group that will be honed in on this. So if that’s something that is concerning you have or kind of swaying you against testing out CBD, I certainly would not have that be one of my primary concerns with something like this.
John Malanca 23:55
And so you are in part of your strategy with your with your I guess your patients if you want to say your clients, clients, clients you do incorporate CBD orc as a cannabinoid in whether without I guess other other pillars or health getting outside getting, you know, maybe reading a book turning your iPhone, iPad, in TV off caffeine intake, getting out getting some exercise stretching, that God kind of go in to.
Mollie McGlocklin 24:30
Oh my goodness, okay, so that’s the biggest thing for me is that behavioral change and having the frameworks to come to approach it with. So I really want to underscore for anyone that’s then going to be bringing in CBD and putting all this pressure on CBD to perform in the world of sleep. It can really be a fantastic supplement. And we’ll want to bring about a whole pyramid of education around improving our sleep through all the activities that we impart in thrive. The day literally starting from the first thing you do and the beginning of the morning and server setting those rhythms that you know that endocannabinoid system is really a part of. So we’re setting those rhythms with how we’re choosing to live our life consciously through these frameworks and approaches. And then CBD X is a phenomenal supplement to that. But if you, if you have it be the thing that’s going to save all the things it’s going to be, it would behoove us to then put the pan out and then make it a whole lifestyle approach. And so and I think it can also be amazing, this is just anecdotally, but from a identity perspective, if we begin to really move into this more, this approach of having this healthy lifestyle, you know, I’ll have so many clients that they would have, say, endometriosis for women, and just lots of painful periods. And then they discover working with CBD, and they won’t even go to having, say, ibuprofen, Tylenol anymore, and just really approached from this, I’m kind of doing a natural approach. And from that identity perspective, it can be a really wonderful aid in making a difference with how we’re living our life altogether. So if you come from this, from this plant medicine approach, it’s really can shift the responsibility that you’re putting on something external, like for instance, when I couldn’t sleep for so long, I wanted all the things, the supplements, the pills, the gadgets, all that stuff that would transform my sleep. And I think what CBD can help represent is to to get yourself back into harmony versus taking yourself off of the kind of natural path of your of your body. If that makes sense.
John Malanca 26:46
It’s funny, because it’s it’s a multi faceted multi sleep age, or there isn’t a multi billion dollar industry.
Mollie McGlocklin 26:54
Yes, yeah. And I’ve literally I really don’t talk too much about supplements, at sleep as a skill, and the only ones that I’ll really often speak to and you know, because it’s bio individual, there might be certain things that people are dealing with, of course, but on the on the blanket conversation, there’s only really like, two things I’ve been comfortable to say, for people to to use more regularly is magnesium glycinate. Because it’s so the common common thing that people are deficient in, but then secondly, some version of CBD and bringing that into your kind of daily life practice. And that can really help make a difference with a number of things. But I don’t like to have people, you know, spend all this money on all these different items, without getting kind of their approach or their framework right around their sleep.
John Malanca 27:44
Yeah. I wasn’t gonna bring this up, but I am his age, because I’m thinking I have friends that specialize in sleeping, teaching the twist, should they specialize in twins? Because, you know, one twins up the other asleeping, vice versa, it’s a mom and dad are going crazy. So this like you she is, you know, and I think she had twins. That’s why so I said, Okay, I, you know, I found what I’m good at. And so with that, in your practice, do you work with clients at all ages?
Mollie McGlocklin 28:24
Yes, definitely. And so being mindful of the fact that our sleep is very much dynamic, there’s still so much that we don’t fully understand about sleep from from the get go even right now. But from that place, then it’s important to realize that our sleep is dynamic, it’s going to change throughout the course of our life. Teenagers are, you know, expected to sleep a bit more than, than we will when we get into adult age. And then after, you know, basically about often 65 is kind of the cutoff where people start talking about it’s over 65, and you start seeing the decline in natural melatonin production. And so either way, we’re adjusting our expectations to some degree around our sleep, but not coming from a place that we can make a huge, huge difference with our results that we’re getting
John Malanca 29:16
with with the results. What’s what’s a good night’s sleep for a 53 year old man?
Mollie McGlocklin 29:21
Yes, well, that’s still sort of in that realm of the, the blankets seven to nine hours is often the the thrown out number. But what I think is really important is that I tell clients that might come in, and they say, Yeah, you know, well, I always get around, whatever, seven and a half hours so that’s, that part’s not a problem, what have you, but then we are tracking them with all these different sleep trackers, we look at the numbers and then we might find that’s true. They might actually often always get the seven and a half hours. But then we see it’s all over the place. So they’re doing it you know, there might even be nine hours here and it’s they went to bed at one And then the other night, they went to bed at 10 and they don’t know that. So when we talk about that, it’s not to you know, just like make it wrong, but it’s to help understand that it can really shift the architecture of that sleep. So that same seven and a half hours looks very different than someone who consistently you know, goes to bed or whatever 1030 Every night, seven days a week, the big operative kind of, you know, call up being because that can help kind of program the amount of time that we’re going into deep sleep shifting over into REM sleep and our experience and the results that we have when we wake up in the morning so going deeper on beyond just the quantity and looking at that quality.
John Malanca 30:40
Yeah. In like you said training the body you know, as off camera I was telling you, I just came came back from a five and a half six day silent retreat. Yes, CB no internet, no phone calls, no text messages, no music, no nothing. And Trey, I started training my body. I was sound asleep by 830 every night. But I’d wake up five o’clock in the morning minus no alarm, and ready to go. I was live work. I mean, work work with, but ready to go. And so training, training my body. And sometimes it does take that to to get back on a nice sleeping pattern too. So I can’t thank you enough. You have any closing words for our
Mollie McGlocklin 31:24
audience? Ah, yeah, well, one, I just want to thank you for being a part of putting something like this together, I think it can be so beneficial. I’ve seen just so many amazing stories of people, you know, being on say, Xanax for 16 years, and then being able to get off of that overtime. And I’m not saying again, you know, listen, work with your doctor. But it can really be so so beneficial when they’re able to use CBD to help wean off and then really live a life where they’re getting richer sleep every single night consistently from that perspective, among many other benefits that they get. So I think that this is an exciting area that there’s still so many questions that we have. But I think the more and more we can have different people speaking to this and what they’re finding in their industry can really help us kind of crowdsource and improve our results with, you know, kind of this whole new world that we’re stepping into.
John Malanca 32:20
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